Monday, April 27, 2020
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This was really interesting to think about and made me question why I like the things I do. Also, does his idea relate to the fact on wanting to fit in or gain acceptance from certain groups? but at the same time is it something we don't realize we're doing since we think our taste is just what we like?
ReplyDelete-Delaney Murray
That is correct! Bourdieu things we brainwash ourselves into liking what we like because it gives us access to the groups we want to be a member of!
DeleteThe reference to the type of drink you choose to drink marks the group you want to be affiliated with was super interesting. Because it's such a common thing that most guys want to be seen at tough so they drink these strong drinks that aren't even good. Yet once you yourself decide to drink a sweet but good tasting drink they mark you differently. I've seen this especially at parties when people are peer pressured into drinking something you can tell they don't like but they do it just because everybody else is doing it and they rather be affiliated rather than staying an outsider. Bourdieu's idea that the group you are in defines the type of art you like it just mind blowing.
ReplyDeleteI am glad you also find it mind blowing. The part I found mind blowing was that when I imagined this happening I was thinking about people PRETENDING to like this stuff — its his idea that because of groups you want to be a member of or dont want to be a member of YOU BRAINWASH yourself into liking whatever it is. I see it EVERYWHERE now
DeleteThis is so interesting and true, I’ve changed the way I drink depending on who I’m with. I’ve made myself like certain drinks (or pretend to) to be included in a group, so crazy how we subconsciously do this. It also makes me wonder how many things I do or “like” that I don’t actually like and if I’ve just been convinced that I like it.
ReplyDeleteMichelle Adlin
THATS THE PART I FIND DISTURBING!
DeleteI agree, and I also think that with alcohol, a part of your taste is based on income level as well. I think people often start drinking in college, when we're broke, so we drink whatever is cheap or on sale, or we can stretch with mixers. As we get older, our tastes "refine" probably because we can afford better alcohol (which often means it tastes less like alcohol) and because we don't want to be see as the same reckless young people we were.
ReplyDeleteI also appreciate that you drank fruity girly drinks. They are more delicious, and everyone should subvert the patriarchal notion that men have to drink gross drinks. :)
Right! Because income level is one of the groups your taste identifies you as being a part of!
DeleteOne of my friends is English who like the general English youth have been drinking since 12-14ish unlike Americans which are 14-16ish and he picked up on how conservative I was about drinking at age 18 and so I kept asking him the point of drinking in a group setting when you didn't have to resort to being tipsy or drunk to have a memorable time if the members of the group were all already good friends and extremely comfortable w/ each other. I told him I didn't even like the taste of alcohol and he told me he didn't like the taste of ANY alcohol but that it was for the social fluidity and flow which is why one should drink: to make it easier to connect to others. The funny thing is this means you can have a group of people who all don't like what they're drinking at all yet they all feel pressured into drinking b/c of their assumption that the other members of the group actually like what is being drunk/actually value the drink or drinking occasion to a higher degree and that any hesitation would show their lesser ability aka weakness to sacrifice for the social connection... We are all conformists in one way or another, but people need to be more steadfast in their own preferences (ex: drinking a dif. kind of alcohol) and decisions (ex: drinking isn't really healthy or pleasant so therefore I will cut back and be okay w/ that).
ReplyDeleteIt’s tricky because there is an individual identity but also a GROUP IDENTITY and it can be hard to navigate when they come into conflict. I tend to focus on the individual but Bourdieu of course is a sociologist, so he likes groups!
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