Monday, March 23, 2020
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I feel like socrates holds a lot of bias towards self gratification and looks at people who who do things out of that gratification as bad people. This comes up a lot in his speech with the comparison of the 'dark horse' to sin. I think that because of this he holds very strong beliefs towards persuasiveness that aren't necessarily true? Someone who gives good speeches because they're very persuasive, or a sophist, should not be inherently looked at as bad or untrustworthy. I think the ability to give persuasive absurd speeches, or play 'devils advocate' is a great strength to have because it shows the ability to touch on empathy, reasoning, exercise your understanding of the topic, and is beneficial to others (especially if the topic is about something widely accepted) because this allows discourse that causes people to regroup with their beliefs and think about what they actually mean. Most people often hear or read things and don't think about them, but when those beliefs are challenged, even by an absurd argument, it can help you look at your beliefs in a new light and maybe even change things you once thought for something that makes more sense or is more positive.
I do need that — right now I put a small chair on top of a outdoor table and my ipad on that! It’s madness.
DeleteI think you are right about Socrates — he basically thinks that teaching people to give speeches without teaching them to be GOOD HUMAN BEINGS, is like selling guns to anyone — he is worried about the power falling into the wrong hands.
what you brought up about lawyers defending their client even when they know they are guilty reminds me of myself. I say this because when im writing a argumentative paper, sometimes its easier for me to better and valid points on the opposing side than the side i agree more on. Which can be very frustrating so usually i have to change my ENTIRE argument.
ReplyDelete^ sandra richards
DeleteThis is something that school often gets you to do — one trick is not to change your whole argument but to just say of the part you now reject “SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THING” and then there goes your old argument. Then you say “BUT THE CORRECT WAY TO THINK IS” and then there you put your new argument.
DeleteThrough this part of Phaedrus, I felt like it similar to writing a research paper. Where you need to use citation or quoting from a professional and having good evidence of what you trying to proof. Alongside with using ideas that was thought by other but still using their name. basically not playdrizing other work to create more work to improve upon. Teaching and giving it to the newer generation.
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Excellent point! Thanks for commenting!
DeleteIt is a real point that we have to have knowledge because I have never spoke and listened based upon my knowledge or justice. I think this is really important to know when I write and speak. Also, as you mentioned in the lecture, most of people do not speak with their knowledge, truth, justice, and philosophy. However, so many people listen and care of other’s speaking because they do not have knowledge either. This is why Socrates distrust people who are not good speaker. Therefore, we human have to know what we want to say based on the knowledge and the truth. I really enjoyed example of a cup of coffee and the point that every person should be philosopher.
ReplyDelete-Jinah Kim
Socrates doesn’t distrust people who are not good speakers — he distrusts GOOD SPEAKERS because often GOOD SPEAKERS don’t know what they are talking about underneath their fancy words. I also really like the coffee example!
DeleteWhat you said about the lawyer is exactly the same thing as what we said about the car salesmen in the previous videos. All they do is convince people to buy a car off them even when they secretly know the car is not of good condition. They're very good at persuading people to believe in them.
ReplyDeleteThey are for sure two examples of the same thing — fancy talk vs finding the truth!
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